College students drink. It took nearly twelve hours for them to make the call for help. They caused his condition, then exacerbated it, then refused to get him needed care immediately. The frat decided to pick him up, move him to a new location, talk about it for forty minutes, agree to call for help but not inform them when the incident occurred and tried to clean him of blood and change his clothes. They are the sole reason he is dead. Timothy Piazza Family photo On Thursday, State College Police Detective David Scicchitano testified that someone deleted basement video footage from the night in question two days after Piazza died. It was estimated that he had .40% BAC and a lethal BAC is roughly .30%-.40%.

Edit: Btw, your comment completely justifies me using a throwaway. Ok, so they are already violating the alcohol-free provision. They face charges that include, for some, involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, while others face much less serious offenses. Meanwhile, the party appeared to go on, as people came and went, some looking concerned about his condition while others seemed to take no notice.

Video of Penn State fraternity pledge Tim Piazza chugging vodka, beer and wine at a pledge ceremony inside the Beta Theta Pi house the night he fatally fell down the frat’s stairs was shown in court today. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. Fraternity members didn’t call 911 until nearly 12 hours after his first fall.

I don't even know where you get the whole idea I am making personal digs at people, or how you can think anything i said could only be thought by a frat bro, or whatever. Absolutely nobody around checking on him? Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Men carried Piazza's unconscious body upstairs and placed him back on the couch, where they shook him and tried to prop him up, according to the grand jury report. Election 2020 preliminary exit polls: Ohio favors Trump on economy, FBI investigates robocalls warning voters to 'stay home', Cities nationwide bracing for violence on Election Day that's peaceful -- so far, Virus hospitalizations surge as pandemic shadows US election. What they did was far worse than, say driving drunk and killing someone which would still be involuntary manslaughter. Again, these are people who WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM BEING IN THAT CONDITION who were more concerned about the possible consequences for themselves than saving the life of a badly injured pledge. I can honestly say that would not be how my mind would work.

What happened next is described in horrific detail in a grand jury report citing evidence including surveillance video, witness testimony and phone records. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. I just don't like the way this kids parents have acted at all.

But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. Civil attorney Tom Kline, who represents Piazza’s … He later tried once more to descend the basement stairs, but fell down again, and remained at the base of the stairs until several of the fraternity brothers discovered him several hours later behind the bar in the basement, cold and breathing rapidly. The district attorney and the detective dissected about three hours of security camera tape that began with 19-year-old Tim Piazza joining other pledges as they went from station to station in a drinking gauntlet, and Piazza soon appeared to become shaky on his feet. need to get some shit off your chest? r/Frat: Because reddit is the anti-frat. As no one was left around him this all went unnoticed and he was left on the floor. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. The video included him stumbling through the house before he was found, hours later, in the basement. You know what, if somebody falls down a flight of stairs because they're blackout drunk, you should probably make sure that nothing bad happens to him. I don't know, a lot of humane sensible things. I mean, based on your logic that would be completely selfish and out of line of you. Even if they aren't and are just held to the standard of roommates look at the whole situation. It was at this point that he was carried upstairs. And all colleges and fraternities are supposed to have anti-hazing rules in place. I would feel sorry for myself, but it just wouldn't cross my mind to blame anyone and everyone for the situation. One defense attorney, Rocco Cipparone, said after court, "[The basement video] clearly exhibited a party, a social event, not a hazing event. Last week Piazza's parents joined with a local state politician in announcing a new anti-hazing bill in the hopes to "change the landscape" in Pennsylvania and become a model for the nation. "It was just remarkable to see this chilling video taking place on a college campus.". I don't think they're acting like assholes. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident.

Family of Penn State pledge who died after frat house fall announces new anti-hazing bill, More details emerge in horrific Penn State fraternity death, Former Penn State frat member no longer charged in hazing case: 'No winners here', 'An oath of silence': The secret world of fraternity pledging and how it contributes to hazing deaths. I'm pissed at these guys, and I've got no skin in the game. His brain had swollen to the point that roughly half of his skull had to be removed to relieve the pressure. "I think we are f-----," he added.

Again normal people would have called for medical assistance seeing as he is still unresponsive or at least have a person watch over him but they left him. Timothy John Piazza (September 25, 1997 – February 4, 2017) died as the result of hazing at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Pennsylvania State University at University Park, Pennsylvania.The incident led to closure of the fraternity's chapter at the university and, as of November 14, 2017, at least 26 members of the fraternity face charges, including involuntary manslaughter. I posted here because I realized my opinion on the incident is different then just about anyone elses. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. Tim was in no way responsible for or a part of this behavior. Obviously the situation is horrible, but kids need to understand they are responsible for their actions. Ok, you are right. The fraternity brothers who encouraged him to drink had power over him while he was, for several reasons, unable to effectively say no or fully understand his actions. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do?

I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. Tim was accountable to himself for over drinking, but the rest of the frat was accountable for essentially leaving him to rot and die, despite obvious symptoms of trauma and injury, and likely alcohol poisoning. At this point normal people would call for medical help. Not calling 911 immediately is what changed that story, from a crazy night where he drank too much and a lesson for future endeavors to his death.

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Video of Penn State pledge chugging alcohol from night he suffered fatal frat house fall shown in court Tim Piazza, 19, died after a fall at the Beta Theta Pi house in 2017. One person even recommended that help be contacted but was ignored and he was left on a couch. Members of the fraternity carried Piazza up the steps and put him on the couch. Piazza was a freshman taken in by the frat, the senior frat members are both stupid and evil. People poured liquid on him, slapped him and even threw his shoes on him, Scicchitano told the judge. On the night of February 2, 2017, while undergoing hazing rituals for the fraternity, Piazza, on an essentially empty stomach, drank large amounts of alcohol in a short time as part of an obstacle course called "The Gauntlet", which required each pledge to drink from a bottle of vodka, drink a beer, and finally drink from a bag of wine. Piazza consumed what prosecutors said was a life-threatening amount of alcohol during a hazing ritual at the house in State College. What they did was worse than just leaving him to die. No average person would sit there, make the strange.... personal... nit picky digs that you were, trying to justify their blatant disregard for a humans life. I mean, that's the whole point of this subreddit. Fraternity brothers and pledges hovered around Piazza, strapping on a bag filled with books to keep him from turning over and choking on his own vomit and bringing in a bucket to clean up when he did vomit. I just can't call them evil. Later on the a heavily intoxicated teen staggers toward the basement stairs, but his fall was not captured on video. Tim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. Penn State banned the fraternity after concluding it had engaged in “a persistent pattern” of excessive drinking, drug use and hazing. The tape showed them carrying him back up from the basement in the morning, then spending about 40 minutes attending to him and milling around before someone finally summoned help. Happy CMVing! (BELLEFONTE, Pa.) — Prosecutors on Monday played videotape from inside a Penn State fraternity that showed a pledge suffering through an agonizing night from untreated injuries sustained in a fall during an alcohol-fueled event as his friends failed to call for help.

College students drink. It took nearly twelve hours for them to make the call for help. They caused his condition, then exacerbated it, then refused to get him needed care immediately. The frat decided to pick him up, move him to a new location, talk about it for forty minutes, agree to call for help but not inform them when the incident occurred and tried to clean him of blood and change his clothes. They are the sole reason he is dead. Timothy Piazza Family photo On Thursday, State College Police Detective David Scicchitano testified that someone deleted basement video footage from the night in question two days after Piazza died. It was estimated that he had .40% BAC and a lethal BAC is roughly .30%-.40%.

Edit: Btw, your comment completely justifies me using a throwaway. Ok, so they are already violating the alcohol-free provision. They face charges that include, for some, involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, while others face much less serious offenses. Meanwhile, the party appeared to go on, as people came and went, some looking concerned about his condition while others seemed to take no notice.

Video of Penn State fraternity pledge Tim Piazza chugging vodka, beer and wine at a pledge ceremony inside the Beta Theta Pi house the night he fatally fell down the frat’s stairs was shown in court today. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. Fraternity members didn’t call 911 until nearly 12 hours after his first fall.

I don't even know where you get the whole idea I am making personal digs at people, or how you can think anything i said could only be thought by a frat bro, or whatever. Absolutely nobody around checking on him? Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Men carried Piazza's unconscious body upstairs and placed him back on the couch, where they shook him and tried to prop him up, according to the grand jury report. Election 2020 preliminary exit polls: Ohio favors Trump on economy, FBI investigates robocalls warning voters to 'stay home', Cities nationwide bracing for violence on Election Day that's peaceful -- so far, Virus hospitalizations surge as pandemic shadows US election. What they did was far worse than, say driving drunk and killing someone which would still be involuntary manslaughter. Again, these are people who WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM BEING IN THAT CONDITION who were more concerned about the possible consequences for themselves than saving the life of a badly injured pledge. I can honestly say that would not be how my mind would work.

What happened next is described in horrific detail in a grand jury report citing evidence including surveillance video, witness testimony and phone records. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. I just don't like the way this kids parents have acted at all.

But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. Civil attorney Tom Kline, who represents Piazza’s … He later tried once more to descend the basement stairs, but fell down again, and remained at the base of the stairs until several of the fraternity brothers discovered him several hours later behind the bar in the basement, cold and breathing rapidly. The district attorney and the detective dissected about three hours of security camera tape that began with 19-year-old Tim Piazza joining other pledges as they went from station to station in a drinking gauntlet, and Piazza soon appeared to become shaky on his feet. need to get some shit off your chest? r/Frat: Because reddit is the anti-frat. As no one was left around him this all went unnoticed and he was left on the floor. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. The video included him stumbling through the house before he was found, hours later, in the basement. You know what, if somebody falls down a flight of stairs because they're blackout drunk, you should probably make sure that nothing bad happens to him. I don't know, a lot of humane sensible things. I mean, based on your logic that would be completely selfish and out of line of you. Even if they aren't and are just held to the standard of roommates look at the whole situation. It was at this point that he was carried upstairs. And all colleges and fraternities are supposed to have anti-hazing rules in place. I would feel sorry for myself, but it just wouldn't cross my mind to blame anyone and everyone for the situation. One defense attorney, Rocco Cipparone, said after court, "[The basement video] clearly exhibited a party, a social event, not a hazing event. Last week Piazza's parents joined with a local state politician in announcing a new anti-hazing bill in the hopes to "change the landscape" in Pennsylvania and become a model for the nation. "It was just remarkable to see this chilling video taking place on a college campus.". I don't think they're acting like assholes. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident.

Family of Penn State pledge who died after frat house fall announces new anti-hazing bill, More details emerge in horrific Penn State fraternity death, Former Penn State frat member no longer charged in hazing case: 'No winners here', 'An oath of silence': The secret world of fraternity pledging and how it contributes to hazing deaths. I'm pissed at these guys, and I've got no skin in the game. His brain had swollen to the point that roughly half of his skull had to be removed to relieve the pressure. "I think we are f-----," he added.

Again normal people would have called for medical assistance seeing as he is still unresponsive or at least have a person watch over him but they left him. Timothy John Piazza (September 25, 1997 – February 4, 2017) died as the result of hazing at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Pennsylvania State University at University Park, Pennsylvania.The incident led to closure of the fraternity's chapter at the university and, as of November 14, 2017, at least 26 members of the fraternity face charges, including involuntary manslaughter. I posted here because I realized my opinion on the incident is different then just about anyone elses. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. Tim was in no way responsible for or a part of this behavior. Obviously the situation is horrible, but kids need to understand they are responsible for their actions. Ok, you are right. The fraternity brothers who encouraged him to drink had power over him while he was, for several reasons, unable to effectively say no or fully understand his actions. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do?

I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. Tim was accountable to himself for over drinking, but the rest of the frat was accountable for essentially leaving him to rot and die, despite obvious symptoms of trauma and injury, and likely alcohol poisoning. At this point normal people would call for medical help. Not calling 911 immediately is what changed that story, from a crazy night where he drank too much and a lesson for future endeavors to his death.

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